Base Engine USA 2.0d?

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Kink

Discussion Starter · May 21, 2015

Pardon me if I'm late to the party but I've just heard that the base engine in the US will be the 2.0 diesel and not even Ingenium? I thought we were going to be getting the Ecoboost derived 2.0T used in the Evoque as base... Hmmm. I think they're going to have a tough go in the early going, 2.0d or 3.0L V6...

Anyone know when the small gasser is supposed to come oveR?

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pasack

· #2 · May 21, 2015

I'm pretty sure the first two engines available in the USA will be the Ingenium based diesel and the non-Ingenium based V6. That's been pretty widely reported. IMHO, I think Jaguar sees this as a once in a lifetime chance to rehabilitate their image as a premium brand in the States after the reliability issues of the 80s-90s and they're not offering the EcoTec motors because they don't want people talking about Ford engines in their cars. Again, that's just IMHO.

I'm sure Jaguar would love to have the Ingenium based petrols(*) available at launch but it sounds like they (the engines) won't be ready until a later date and they're going to make darn sure the engines are as reliable as possible before releasing them into the wild. I doubt anyone knows when the new Ingenium 2.0s are going to be offered.

I think the better question is if the 3.5V6 is going to be offered in a sub XE-S level trim with perhaps a more reasonable price tag.

(*) Now that they've got us Americans referring to gas engines as 'petrols', do we need to start calling them 'boots' and 'bonnets' as well :laugh:

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Winger

· #3 · May 21, 2015

For starters, while we know that the mainstream 2017 XE will ultimately offer three engines, a manual transmission, and rear- or all-wheel drive, so far Jaguar’s only talking about two of the engines, one ZF eight-speed automatic, and the rear- and all-wheel drive bits. As we were already aware, the XE’s top-flight engine will be a supercharged 3.0-liter V-6 making 340 horsepower and 332 lb-ft of torque—a version we’ve already driven. Jag has dubbed that XE variant “XE 35t.” The other engine Jag is talking about at this time is a 2.0-liter turbo-diesel four-cylinder making 180 horsepower and 318 lb-ft of torque, and models so equipped will be badged “XE 20d.” Pulled from the new Ingenium engine family, the diesel is expected to be very efficient (no EPA figures are available yet), and thanks to largely aluminum construction it will be relatively light-weight at just 304 pounds. Both engines are mated to a ZF eight-speed automatic, and both can be paired with rear- or all-wheel drive.

I think this article should answer most of your questions.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2017-j...nes-including-a-diesel-and-features-detailed/

Kingpin

· #4 · May 21, 2015

XE 35T vs BMW's 335 will a battle to be seen

Winger

· #5 · May 22, 2015

Kingpin said:
XE 35T vs BMW's 335 will a battle to be seen

Should be close and the is the vehicle Jaguar is trying to compete against. I'm sure there will be some comparisons around later. Any predictions?

john

· #6 · May 22, 2015

XE 35t vs 335i vs ATS vs ______ vs ______ etc... is the show down i'm in for.

Cadillac came close enough to the BMW but not close enough, need to see how Jaguar will rank.

deluXE

· #7 · May 27, 2015

I think the only reason why JLR is starting with the diesel as the base model in the US is because the gasoline Ingenium four cylinder is not yet ready in the quantities needed. It will be added later. In the meantime, JLR did not want to delay the launch of the XE, and they couldn't launch with just the high power engine -- volumes would be too small. Hence the ready diesel as the base launch engine.

This is somewhat historic as it's the only example I can think of when a manufacturer launches a new sedan in the US market with a diesel engine as the base engine. It's unprecedented.

Kink

Discussion Starter · #8 · May 28, 2015 (Edited)

pasack said:
I'm pretty sure the first two engines available in the USA will be the Ingenium based diesel and the non-Ingenium based V6. That's been pretty widely reported. IMHO, I think Jaguar sees this as a once in a lifetime chance to rehabilitate their image as a premium brand in the States after the reliability issues of the 80s-90s and they're not offering the EcoTec motors because they don't want people talking about Ford engines in their cars. Again, that's just IMHO.

I'm sure Jaguar would love to have the Ingenium based petrols(*) available at launch but it sounds like they (the engines) won't be ready until a later date and they're going to make darn sure the engines are as reliable as possible before releasing them into the wild. I doubt anyone knows when the new Ingenium 2.0s are going to be offered.

I think the better question is if the 3.5V6 is going to be offered in a sub XE-S level trim with perhaps a more reasonable price tag.

(*) Now that they've got us Americans referring to gas engines as 'petrols', do we need to start calling them 'boots' and 'bonnets' as well :laugh:

Fair points, allow me to poke one tiny hole though? >

JLR sold 12,440 Evoques last year in the US (Jag sold 16K cars total across brand) all with Fords 2.0L Ecoboost under the hood...

The Land Rover Discovery Sport debuted here this year with the Ecoboost 2.0 as well... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Discovery_Sport

Kink

Discussion Starter · #9 · May 28, 2015

deluXE said:
I think the only reason why JLR is starting with the diesel as the base model in the US is because the gasoline Ingenium four cylinder is not yet ready in the quantities needed. It will be added later. In the meantime, JLR did not want to delay the launch of the XE, and they couldn't launch with just the high power engine -- volumes would be too small. Hence the ready diesel as the base launch engine.

This is somewhat historic as it's the only example I can think of when a manufacturer launches a new sedan in the US market with a diesel engine as the base engine. It's unprecedented.

They still have access to 2.0 Ford Ecoboost engines as in the Evoque, Disco Sport, Jag XF and XJ. Actually the wiki page even lists the XE as an application for Fords 2.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EcoBoost_engine#2.0_litre_.282010.E2.80.93.29

Winger

· #10 · May 28, 2015

Do you think that there are some who have an aversion to diesel who will not buy the XE because the diesel engine is the only base engine on offer at launch? I'm not sure those people will be willing to wait for the Ingenium engine instead of just buying something else.

john

· #11 · May 28, 2015

Winger said:
Do you think that there are some who have an aversion to diesel who will not buy the XE because the diesel engine is the only base engine on offer at launch? I'm not sure those people will be willing to wait for the Ingenium engine instead of just buying something else.

Too many good things about diesel to not go for it. Not sure why someone would not want one.

deluXE

· #12 · May 28, 2015

Kink said:
They still have access to 2.0 Ford Ecoboost engines as in the Evoque, Disco Sport, Jag XF and XJ. Actually the wiki page even lists the XE as an application for Fords 2.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EcoBoost_engine#2.0_litre_.282010.E2.80.93.29

True, but I think the issue is one of capacity, i.e. units available for XEs...the Evoque manufacturing line is using up all the motors

Manxxy

· #13 · May 29, 2015

deluXE said:
True, but I think the issue is one of capacity, i.e. units available for XEs...the Evoque manufacturing line is using up all the motors

Oh I doubt that. I think the real reason is JLR is trying to phase out the legacy Ford stuff. I think thats why the Grand Evoque they're talking about is to be based on the XE/F-Pace not the derivative Ford platform under the evoque. Same goes for passing on Ecoboost. JLR wants to stand on their own two feet IMO

Winger

· #14 · May 29, 2015

Manxxy said:
Oh I doubt that. I think the real reason is JLR is trying to phase out the legacy Ford stuff. I think thats why the Grand Evoque they're talking about is to be based on the XE/F-Pace not the derivative Ford platform under the evoque. Same goes for passing on Ecoboost. JLR wants to stand on their own two feet IMO

That makes a lot of sense. They no longer want to be tied to Ford, they want to do everything on their own.

Cost sharing with other brands is smart business though so they can't go all out with that strategy.

deluXE

· #15 · May 30, 2015

Manxxy said:
Oh I doubt that. I think the real reason is JLR is trying to phase out the legacy Ford stuff. I think thats why the Grand Evoque they're talking about is to be based on the XE/F-Pace not the derivative Ford platform under the evoque. Same goes for passing on Ecoboost. JLR wants to stand on their own two feet IMO

This is definitely true. I read somewhere that after a certain amount of time, if legacy Ford tech is still being used, the royalties to Ford must increase...there is an incentive for JLR to stop using that legacy Ford tech.

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